Doing It Anyway: Real Talk on Insecurity, Growth & Finding Your Voice | Amy Bolduc | 200

What happens when you’ve spent most of your life believing your voice doesn’t matter… and then you decide to use it anyway?

In this milestone Episode 200 of Manders Mindset, host Amanda Russo sits down with podcast host and sustainability advocate Amy Bolduc for one of the most raw and honest conversations yet. From navigating a challenging childhood and years of self-doubt to building a podcast and showing up consistently despite insecurity, Amy shares what it really looks like to grow through the mess... not after it.

Together, Amanda and Amy unpack the reality of doing things before you feel ready, learning to trust yourself after life-altering decisions, and the quiet but powerful realization that… people actually care. This episode is a reminder that your voice matters, even if you’re still learning how to believe that.

💡 In this episode, listeners will discover:

🧠 How childhood experiences can shape self-worth and identity
 💭 What it feels like to live with deep-rooted insecurity and still move forward
 🎙️ The reality of starting a podcast (and hitting record) before feeling ready
 🔥 Why “do it anyway” can be the most life-changing mindset shift
 🌱 How growth often comes from uncomfortable, unexpected life transitions
 💔 Navigating big life changes like divorce, relocation, and starting over
 🧭 The powerful realization that your voice matters more than you think

⏱️ Timeline Summary:

[1:30] Celebrating Episode 200 & how Amanda and Amy connected
 [6:00] Amy’s childhood, family dynamics, and early instability
 [14:30] School struggles, insecurity, and not following a traditional path
 [24:00] Early adulthood, relationships, and career journey beginnings
 [34:30] Job transitions, COVID struggles, and emotional burnout
 [43:00] Starting her podcast despite fear and self-doubt
 [52:00] The mindset shift: “do it anyway” & finding her voice
 [1:00:00] Realizing people care & reflections on growth and self-worth

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Transcript

Episode 200 Gratitude And Purpose

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Amanda's mindset podcast. So you'll find both models and interviews of entrepreneurs, coaches, field artists, and a variety of other people. We're your host, Amanda myself, Mindset and First Fighters, Mindset and First Factors, and the Wonderland, and Help Explained Minds, and the Federal Mm.

Meeting Amy And Finding Community

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Hello, beautiful souls. Welcome to Mander's Mindset. I'm your host, Amanda Vusso, and this is the 200th episode of Mander's Mindset. Whether this is your first time listening to the podcast, you are a regular listener, or you are a previous guest, thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much. These past almost three years have meant the absolute world to me. I have learned so much, and I am so honored and grateful for all of the support I have received. Today's episode is with a guest that is very near and dear to my heart. We connected and met through the podcasting industry. There have been so many other beautiful souls that I have had the honor and the pleasure of meeting and connecting with through starting this journey. And in case no one said to you today, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for waking up today, getting out of bed, and showing up. Because sometimes that takes guts, and that's hard. Thank you for being here. Welcome to Meander's Mindset, where we explore the power of shifting your mindset to shift your life. I'm your host, Amanda Vuser, and I am so excited for who I am speaking with today. I am here with the one and only Amy Boldick. And Amy is one of my dearest, closest friends who I love so much, and she absolutely inspires me. She is also a fellow podcast host. She hosts the podcast grounded in Maine, and she has been hosting that for about four years now, which is crazy. As a podcast host myself, I know a lot goes into this. So super, super proud of you. Kudos to you for that. And thank you. Thank you so much for finally joining me on Vander's Mindset. I appreciate you being here.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

My goodness. Uh well, thank you. Uh, I mean, you invited me, and it's episode 200, which is I'm so honored. I'm so honored that you invited me for this one, and the one and only Amy Boldak. No pressure, no pressure there.

SPEAKER_04 3:29

You are you are the one and only.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

The only Amy Boldak that I'm aware of, but the one and only. That sounds fancy.

SPEAKER_04 3:39

You are fancy, Amy, and Amy and I actually first connected through the New England Podcasters group. And I found out that even existed from the lovely Amy when she asked me, Why haven't you gone to the I can't remember how I learned that you were from Massachusetts?

SPEAKER_03 3:58

And I was like, Massachusetts is part of New England, so you should be part of the New England Podcasters group, which was the we're about to celebrate the two-year anniversary. And so that was the first in-person was May two years ago. I feel like that was the one that you came to.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

That was the first in person?

SPEAKER_03 4:18

I thought May was the first one, and then whenever you showed up, but we only started it in March.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

And there were Zoom calls, March, April, and then I think I went to the first one in June because it was 2024, and in May I was in Bali, and then it was like there was the month after that that I went.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

And then I went one more month before I moved. So we had that one moment. Amy in season. Like I had never met you until then, like in person, and like had an actual conversation with you, and we've been talking about the fact that we've known each other for two plus years and don't really have a picture together.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Amy, that doesn't meet that doesn't make you any less important to me. Oh no, no. We're gonna make up for when I see you in person next.

Childhood Divorce And Survival Mode

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

So I'm curious, who would you say Amy is at the core?

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Amy is a lot of things in the core. At the core. I am super insecure, uh, but I am also very friendly, and I am a supporter, and I am I'm kind.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Kind and I'm caring. That's what I got.

SPEAKER_04 5:48

And I started with insecure. Would you say you've always embodied these qualities? Oh, mostly? I think so. Can you tell me a little bit about upbringing? Your childhood, family dynamic. Sure, sure. Any siblings?

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Yeah. So we were saying before uh we hit record that I don't remember a lot of my childhood. It was not not awesome. But um, I have one sister. She right now lives an hour from me, but I'm moving in three days. So uh not for long. But and she's only lived there since December, and it's now April.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

So four months we've lived close to each other, and that's the closest we've lived together for 35 years.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

But so our parents split up when I was five. They divorced my dad actually took us in the middle of the night while she was working an overnight shift. And it was not great. It was not great. It destroyed my mom. And and we and then he ended up getting custody of us. So we were I'm not even gonna say we were raised by our dad. He had other wives for this. Um so he is he is a narcissist, and he used us as uh play pieces to win games, win things. So he won us, he won custody of us, and he didn't really care about us. My dad is on his fifth marriage, and I have not talked to my dad since 2019, and my mom passed away in 2016. So that's me and my sister, and my aunts and so I I just got divorced in 2024, and when I changed my name the divorce, I changed it back, I changed it to my mom's maiden name, not my maiden, uh, because I didn't want to be connected with that.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

Now you said your dad took you and your sister in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

You like while I was working at Dunkin' Donuts overnight shift, and we left in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_04 8:11

Do you remember any of that experience, like leaving the house? No.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

I vaguely remember leaving the house. But I know I know that we went to my grandmother's house. That's it. No. I know that he he he had me testify against my mom in the divorce hearing. I don't remember that my grandmother told me that.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Oh, wow. Do you remember approximately how long it was after he took you guys till you saw your mom again?

SPEAKER_03 8:43

I don't. I mean, I don't she lived in the town next next door. We saw her every other weekend, like most children of divorce, I guess. But she so then she married, she remarried a man who's much older than her. He was 18, 18 years older than her. And he was just a he was kind of a creep. He was like a dirty old man, and I was like 11? 8? I forget. I just know that um growing up with him around was very uh uncomfortable. So I didn't really like being there.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

And was she married to him her the rest of her life?

SPEAKER_03 9:33

She was married to him the rest of his life. Um but I mean I think he died in 2019. I mean 2009, sorry, and then she died in 2016. It wasn't a long time, but it was hard, hard for her.

SPEAKER_04 9:49

Now you said you didn't like being there when being around him.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

I didn't. I didn't like being around him at all. There was pornography all around the house, and he was just he was a creep. And like, you know, growing up in puberty and growth and all that stuff. Very awkward. But and they they were like super smokers, like they smoked like chimneys, and so it was smelly and my clothes smelled. A singer, and so I knew that that was bad.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

And they smoked inside the house.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

You said your dad went through a lot of wives. Did you like any of the women he married?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

I liked his fourth wife. But I was an adult then.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

So it was more like almost like a peer, not like a mother figure.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Do you you probably don't remember because you were so young, but like approximately how long after this separation your dad had a new wife?

SPEAKER_03 11:22

I have no idea. I don't remember. I don't remember how old I was. I don't remember. I feel like they were married for like seven years, so maybe it was soon after the divorce.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

Now, is your sister older or younger than you? She's younger.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

She's turning 50 this year.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

Now, did all this uh divide between your parents affect your relationship with your sister at all?

SPEAKER_03 11:52

Yes, yes. So my dad's second wife was a Mormon, and so we all joined the Mormon church, and I decided at one point that I needed to be a good girl to not have bad things happen, and so I was all in on being a Mormon. I wanted to be the best person that I could the church, you're a person, everything works out great for you. And um the his third wife, well, so his his second wife I I'm unclear on it. I hear things from my sister who remembers everything so clearly, I don't know that apparently we were hit. And then the third wife was a little crazy and she just said mean things that required the house to be super clean and stuff like that. And my sister was a teenager and got into some trouble and they kicked her out of the house. And I didn't see her for years.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Years.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

She was I mean, she was a teenager, and I didn't see her until really until she came out in like uh the early 2000s. So I mean she graduated high school in '94. And so 1994. So it was it was years, probably eight between eight and ten years. I didn't see her. Because as soon as she graduated high school, she she left the state. And she was in Florida, and so I went to see her in Florida after. I I don't remember any of the I don't remember any of this. She told me a few years ago.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

They kicked her out of the house. Was that before she graduated high school?

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Yeah. Yeah. She was living with my grandmother, but I didn't see her. I think, you know, she was just wasn't around when we had family events.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

So did that put a strain on your relationship with her?

SPEAKER_03 14:07

I mean, we didn't speak for many years, but I didn't know why. I didn't know why. Yeah. But we're fine now. Thank goodness, because without parents, who do you have to? I get it. And I know some people when their parents pass, you know, when someone passes away, things get really um, they they can either go really badly or go really well. Like siblings will either like be on the same side or they'll split up and not speak, or just have a lot of bad feelings between them. But my sister and I were we were strong.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

We're strong.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

That's good. Now, when your parents got divorced, you you mentioned your dad took you. So, like, were you still going to the same school afterwards, or did that change as well?

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Uh we moved back and forth between two towns, so we switched schools a lot. Uh depending on who he was married to. We were going to one school and then when he remarried, or when we moved to my grandmother's. I mean, I was five years old. I I had barely started school when my sister met school at that point. But depending on who he was married to and where we were living, we switched. It was really between two schools or two towns.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Were you good at school once you were like in school?

SPEAKER_03 15:37

No, I was terrible at school. I I went for a course. That was like that was my reason for going. That's where I really did well. But I mean, I enjoyed school. I just did not, my brain did not absorb information. I loved history class, but I failed every test. I didn't fail. I did really poorly. I loved reading and writing. I tested really badly. So I didn't have awesome grades. I didn't go to college because I couldn't get financial aid. I didn't even know that was a thing. Nobody told me that.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

So I wanted to go to music school.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

I couldn't even afford the application fee. So I didn't go to college.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

So when you graduated high school, what'd you do from there?

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Well I was a good Mormon, and what Mormons do is get married and have kids. And so I moved to Utah to go find a husband. And I ran out of money, and I I moved back after a year without a husband. I was a failure as a Mormon.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

But it was okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

What else did you do in Utah when you were there for a year?

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Oh my gosh. It was the most fun I've ever had. I went to so many concerts. I went to lots of concerts. I didn't have a car. I just I worked two jobs. I made four dollars an hour. Isn't that insane? I made four dollars an hour in 1993. Wow. So I worked two jobs and paid rent. And then I moved back.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

And so you didn't you weren't able to find a husband, so then you moved moved back to Maine.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

And when you came back, what was your step from there?

SPEAKER_02 17:39

I was just I just found a job and I was working. And then I found another job. Doing what?

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Literally, I I moved back in uh June 1994. I started a job in July, and I worked at that job until I met my now ex-husband, and and then I switched jobs. So I was like 13 years I was at the same place.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

What was that job in doing?

SPEAKER_03 18:10

It was a hotel, and I started in housekeeping, and then I worked at the front desk.

SPEAKER_04 18:18

How did you enjoy that?

SPEAKER_03 18:21

I loved it. I loved it all. I mean, I just you know, I got to meet really cool people. It was very satisfying to clean rooms. I don't clean anymore. I don't like it. But I mean I was a kid. Uh and then I begged for the opportunity to work at the front desk. Like who knows the reason who knows the rooms better than the person that's cleaning them? Like to be able to sell them to people and I did really well at that.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

So why'd you leave after 13 years?

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Because um because my schedule was not regular and he wanted to see me more.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

What do you mean it wasn't regular?

SPEAKER_03 19:06

I was working all different shifts. I was working overnights, I was working afternoons and mornings, weekends.

SPEAKER_04 19:13

So like it wasn't consistent.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

Yeah, that I mean, even besides relationship, that's tough for you to like live.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Yeah, it was fine for me.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Amy, even now with podcasting, you can't schedule much if you don't know the work schedule.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

True. You don't agree.

Work Life Stability Then A Crash

SPEAKER_03 19:35

No, I agree. No, totally. I am down with a regular schedule, but then I was in my early 30s, and I was like, it worked, it worked, you know. I had I always had income, you know, and because I would do any shift, I could fill in and and I had security. That's all I wanted.

SPEAKER_04 19:59

I get it. So you you left the hotel and where'd you go from there?

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Oh gosh. Uh I left there and I worked for my eye doctor. Don't recommend. It was awful. I mean it was it was fine. But I just I don't care about eyes. I don't care about eyes. I want somebody else to take care of.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

So is that why it was awful? Because you didn't care about eyes?

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Yeah, I just I there was zero heart in it. So I just did that for one one year.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

I was seven. That's not a long time.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

It's not a long time. No, but then I I found a job that had normal hours, like really normal hours, no weekends, and it paid more, and I was there for 12 years. Uh, it was home health care. I was in the office scheduling.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

Did you like that more?

SPEAKER_03 21:01

I really liked it. I learned a lot. I learned a lot. And I really, really gained uh appreciation and a real love for the elder generations and respect for caregivers who do that. So that can't be easy.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

No, you said you did that for 12 years. So what made you transition out of that?

SPEAKER_03 21:26

A car accident. I was in a car accident and I was out of work for four months. And my boss didn't hold my job. So I had to find another job. And that was right at COVID. So things were a little rocky for a bit, but we all could. That's tough. I mean, it was not my favorite job. Toward the end, I really did not love it, but I did make some connections and I learned a lot, and I'm better for it. So I wanted to leave. I wasn't going to, but the car accident kind of.

SPEAKER_04 22:08

I think that sometimes happens in life, you know, whenever it is that whether it's a job, a place, an experience like that, we're not meant to have anymore. It'll be removed if we kind of remove it.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yeah. I mean, that's sort of my personality. Like I am that person who will stay in a something that's comfortable, even though I don't love it, because it's comfortable, you know, or familiar. That's me. I would do that until something stops me from doing it. And uh that it was I I could have used a an easier transition, but it worked out. It worked out for the best.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

Did it take you a while to find a new job post that?

COVID Jobs Burnout And Staying Afloat

SPEAKER_03 22:57

I was scared really would. I mean, I didn't find a job during COVID. I, oh my gosh, the worst job I've ever had came at COVID because you know, there were no jobs out there because everything was shut down, but I got this like temp job um registering people for unemployment during COVID. I have never cried so much in my entire life at that point until that job. It was awful. It was awful. And it was, what did I? I made like five dollars less per hour, and it was like the phone hangs up, and you have what 30 seconds before the next call comes in. Like that's when you get to key, take a drink, eat, whatever. Like you have 30 seconds, and if you are not picking up that phone, you're in you're in trouble. But like every single person was having trouble registering for unemployment because of some computer glitch. And I had to say, Oh, I'm really sorry. Maybe tomorrow it'll be better. It was so bad. You know, people were like, I just lost my house. I'm living in my car, and I'm supposed to not cry, and I'm supposed to not like feel horrible because the next call is coming in. It was the worst job I've ever had. I that was hard. That was a hard job.

SPEAKER_04 24:29

That sounds awful. Did you do that remotely?

SPEAKER_03 24:32

I did it remotely, yeah. But I mean, I had a job.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

Working for unemployment, you're getting less money.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Yeah. And taking on all the like the empathy, like it was in overdrive during then, and it was just like the stress that I felt from that job was not worth the money. But I'm glad I had a job.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

I did get to help some people, just very few.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

How long did you do that?

SPEAKER_02 25:02

April to November.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

I cried every single day. Every single day. Amy. It was bad. Why'd you stick with that? Because there are no other jobs. You could have gotten unemployment. Oh, I did not. I don't understand unemployment. Like, I was on unemployment for three months. Three weeks. Sorry. Three weeks. And I just like I never really understood unemployment. I never really understood health insurance. I didn't go to the doctor, even though I had full coverage. I just nobody taught me about that stuff. So I didn't take advantage. And I, you know, unemployment was not going well for a lot of people during COVID. I took those phone calls. I did not want to be unemployed. And then, I mean, if you leave a if you leave a job, do you don't get unemployment, right? I didn't I didn't want to find out the hard way that I was not going to get paid. So I just stuck with it. It was awful. You leave there in November. Yeah, something happened. I mean, I had a really bad boss, and something snapped with me. I applied for a temp agency. And so I worked for some temp jobs remotely for I don't remember. It's all a blurry note, but it was a couple years where during COVID, I worked more jobs than I have in my entire life. It was just it was very stressful.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

But I was only out of work for three weeks the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

And then I left because I had a sure thing with somebody that opened up a store focused on main because I grounded in main. I'm from main products, so main produce and main main items and stuff like that. And so I was going as the what was my title? Rental and community manager? It was not really that, but it was that was my title. And um it was not it was not a real and it ran out after, so I started that in February. February, and then she ran out of funding because it was a grant. She ran out of funding in uh August. And then I was out of a job again. But I just went back to the temp agency and they found me some stuff, and then I ended up at the place where I am right now, which is a healthcare company. I temped for six months, and then they hired me.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

No, temp agencies, is that something you'd recommend? Sure.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

I mean, I'd never done it before, but I was like, I need I don't feel comfortable not having a job, so I'll do whatever. And then because it was during COVID times, everything was remote. I was already working remote, so I was down with that.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

How was the temp agency different than just you looking for a job yourself, like on Indeed or whatever?

SPEAKER_03 28:27

I did not have so I mean I started out this conversation saying I'm insecure. I don't have great self-esteem. And so when I was looking for a job, I was like, you know, people are like, oh, you can totally just like embellish or whatever. I'm like, I don't know if I can do anything. I don't know if I can live up to that. Like, what if I can't live up to that? And they're like, you're just a fraud, and then they fire me. And then when am I gonna get another job? Like these are the things that go through my head when I'm thinking of, and I even still today, like if I'm looking for a job, I'm gonna be like, I don't know that I would even apply for the same job that I have right now. Cause do I actually have those skills? I don't know. You know, people are like, all these things that you've done in the past, like you what do you call them? Like, how did they all add up to skills? And I'm like, but they don't have titles. It's not like I have a secretary certificate or anything like that. Like, I just did stuff. Who's gonna be like, so you did stuff? Like what kind of certifications? Yeah, I don't have any certifications. I got nothing to show for it.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

So I mean, I don't think the certifications mean that you have experience.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Yeah, I know it's it's in my head.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

I can't I have nothing to show for it. I have things that I've done, but how do they qualify as value, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

I have a job.

SPEAKER_03 30:03

I'm not worried right now. I'm worried, but I have a job. Oh gosh, I'm gonna cried.

SPEAKER_04 30:12

I hold space for it all. You can laugh and you can cry, Amy. It's all good. It's all good. You can feel all the fields.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Oh, I'm feeling all the fields. So anyway, finding a job is hard. And so temp agency will they give me a little I don't know, they do the looking for me. I don't have to put myself out as much.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

And did you still have to provide them with your resume? Oh did they help you edit it?

SPEAKER_03 30:43

I mean, I I just sent them my resume and they're like, oh, okay, so you do office stuff, so we'll find you office jobs. That works. I knew nothing. I knew nothing, and I just I was scared that I wasn't gonna find a job, and then I I just checked with them.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

I want to transition, H When did you become interested in sustainability?

SPEAKER_02 31:08

I feel like I always have, but I didn't really I didn't really have a voice.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

I just I didn't I mean this whole like low self-esteem thing, like who cares what I have to say? I mean, but when we were growing up, we always recycled and we we always cooked at home, and so it was always just sort of a thing. And then I so for the if we're talking about the podcast, so I actually before I started the podcast, I was gonna start a YouTube channel with a friend of mine, and it was gonna be about homesteading because we both were very curious about that, and and then she, you know, we were going to talk to different homesteaders and learn different skills from them, take them home and then and try them out and then report back how well it went like is this something that you can take on? Is this something that is just like way too much, and then report back? And then my friend kind of dropped off, and I was like, I am not talking to a screen on my own, I'm not gonna do a YouTube channel. And so I was like, okay, podcast it is. And then I in doing research, I joined a bunch of homesteading Facebook pages, and um, they were mean, like super exclusive, and like, if you have a cell phone, you're not a real homesteader, you're not if you don't have so much land, or you know, there are just like so many qualifications, which felt really weird, but I was like, Yeah, I don't want to be part of that. And so I moved away from homesteading. I was like, I'm very curious about sustainability, like recycling, composting, gardening, all that stuff. And I was also um, so for the last maybe 25 years, I've had this dream of like having a homestead with friends. And the whole time I was married, he was not interested in that. So I was like, yeah, maybe it won't happen. And but like I I've always cooked and baked and uh gardened and like preserved food and stuff like that. And so I was like, I can do all those things, but they're way more fun with somebody else. So I and you know, I know that there are things that I can't do, like building, construction, electric, stuff like that. You don't want me anywhere near that stuff, but you know, I can do the things that I can do. So if we like partnered up with other people and share and teach each other, uh, I thought that would be really cool. And so I've always wanted to do that. And and so because homesteading felt really bad for me after meeting those people on Facebook, uh we'll just do sustainability.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

So sustainability of this. How else has sustainability been a part of your life?

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Well, I mean, so like I said, you know, gardening and cooking and stuff like that. I before before I started the podcast, so the friend that I was gonna start the YouTube channel with, we were volunteer gardeners at a local farm that grew organic produce just to donate to the food banks so that the food insecure people would have fresh food to eat along with the shelf stable because it all it all matters. And so that's how I met her, and we were just, you know, we were gardening and we were weeding the garlic or something and just talking about how cool it would be to start a YouTube channel. We did that, and I've always my entire not my entire from no, I can't even say my entire adulthood. For many years, I gardened when I met my husband then because I didn't make lots of money and he had his own business, and so he made a lot of money, or he made money, I felt like I wasn't pulling my weight, and so I was like, if I garden and I grow food, it's like it's almost like making money. It's gonna cost us less to buy food. So that's my that's my offering. And so I gardened, and as I was doing that, I learned to yeah, so I would like can relishes and pickles and beets and stuff like that, and then I eventually started making jam, and then I started a business after my car accidents, a jam business. But so, you know, I just I always was, you know, I don't like buying new clothes, and so I would shop to the thrift store and even with my jam business, like I would use old boxes to ship jam, like not I wouldn't buy brand new boxes so that everything was perfect. I was like, you know what, I care about the earth, and so I'm going to reuse this instead of adding new. And so now, like in the last two years since I moved, and so I also I enjoy shopping at like refill stores. I think they're the coolest people on earth, besides podcasters. But refill stores have really great employees and people working there, they're just awesome people. Uh, and so I really enjoyed that. There is not one where I live now, so I've had to I started making stuff, so now I make my own laundry soap and I make my own lip balm and my own like a sort of a lotion balm type of thing and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 36:42

Do you sell this? This stuff that you make, this lip balm? Why?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

I tried, but people where I live are not interested.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Um you should be selling this online. People would buy that.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

Yeah, maybe when I get settled somewhere, I will do that. I will. I just like it was my first try. I did um also beeswax wraps and beeswax candles and stuff like that. I mean, it's like actually fun for me to make my own stuff and have and be able to say this I know exactly what's in this.

Starting A Podcast While Insecure

SPEAKER_04 37:16

I get that. No, I I'm curious, and I'm transitioning a tad, but you had mentioned you and a friend were gonna start a YouTube channel, and that friend kind of fell off with starting the YouTube channel. And you mentioned more than once tonight that you consider yourself insecure. Did you have any hesitation? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

I talked about it for two years. I talked about it for two years before I did anything.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Before you pull the trigger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

Well, so yeah, it was probably, I mean, it was probably during COVID when we came up with this, and then 2022, early in the year, a friend of my sister-in-law uh knows people that had a podcast, and they were hosting a um a retreat podcast away. That's it. In Orlando, and I was like, you know, Orlando, like Florida is where COVID is like the most prominent. You want me to go to Florida to learn how to podcast? Yeah, because they were having the outbreaks like crazy. But um, so they were doing it in Florida, and I was like, I can't, like, I'm working temp jobs and I am not making a lot of money, and you know, all the excuses. And then he said, I will fly you there using my points. I've got extra points. I will pay for your flight there. You just have to pay for the retreat. God That's just it's too big to say no to. I felt like that would be a real insult to say, yeah, thanks, that's really nice, but no. So that's another one of those things where I like I will just say I will keep on the same path unless something gets in my way. And so that was the thing that like and that was just three days. So I was three days with them, and so that was March of 22 and then June of 22 of my wow. Yeah, and I must have recorded episode one or the trailer eight times because I was like, that does not sound I don't like the way that sounds. Like, I'm not making sense. No one's gonna want to listen to that. And I was like, it's not gonna get better. I can keep saying it and it's not gonna sound different, so I'm just gonna put it out.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

Oh my gosh. Do you feel that podcasting retreat helped you be prepared to launch the podcast? 100%, yes.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Yeah, because I would have still been, I would still be talking about it probably today if I had not been put in that place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

Wow. And now we're in 2026 recording this. So that was four years ago. What has helped you keep with it?

Consistency Stories And Belonging

SPEAKER_03 40:24

The consistency is it for me. I know exactly when my podcast drops. I know that I need to have a conversation, and I know that I'm better at organizing my time if I have things in it. Does that make sense? Like because if I don't, I'm sort of like freewheeling and nothing gets done because I will spin my wheels thinking about a million things. But here I'm like, I have a focus, I have to get this done. And as a I mean, as a podcast consumer, consistency is everything for me. And so it else it also helps me as a host to know that I have a deadline, I've got things that I need to do, something that needs to get done.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

And yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Well, so what would you say has been your favorite part of podcasting? That's probably tough. I know. Been for you.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

It's definitely the people. I mean, I just I the people that I've gotten to talk to, the people that I've met in community, the New England podcasters community, is they become my family. I for real. I mean, just like accepting me no matter what and letting me zoom in while I'm living in Virginia, while you guys are in Massachusetts and everywhere else. It's so, so nice. And just, you know, but then also the conversations that I get to have, the the super cool people that I get to talk to every single week and learn from, and different I just I love stories. I love stories. I love you know, someone telling me how they were, you know, just like me, and then something happened where they had to say, oh, a mindset shift. This can't stay the way that it is. I need to make a change and or I need to do something about that. And so I I love that story because I feel like we all have that story, and to be able to get to share that, to give people the platform to be able to share that. Because I know that there are some podcasters that are like, I only talk to people that are making six figures, but you're leaving out all these people that have stories to share and are just as valuable, but they are not heard because they don't make money. And I guess that's a chip on my shoulder. I have a voice and I don't make money, but here I am talking. And I I feel like someone needs to listen to them, to those people. Someone needs to listen to me.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

And they will.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

And this too-getting an earful, you guys. All the things you never wanted to know about Amy Baldock.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

No, it's all the things they did want to know.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Sorry, and you're welcome.

Do It Scared People Care

SPEAKER_04 43:16

So now that you reference mindset shift, what would you say has been your biggest mindset shift?

SPEAKER_03 43:24

Um, for me, it's do it anyway. Whatever is going through my mind, just like do it anyway. And that's something that has always been it's always been scary for me. Like I'm a person who wants my I want to know my next step before I make it. And I'm just I'm learning I'm learning that life doesn't work like that always. So you just have to do it. You have to take the step or take the chance and uh I don't know, hope that something hope the universe catches you. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

No, this is might be a similar ish question, but it's kind of different. I asked basically every guest this, and I'm sure you've had multiples. What would you consider the biggest aha you've had in your life thus far to be?

SPEAKER_02 44:17

In my life, I would

SPEAKER_03 44:21

There are there are a couple maybe, but one of them one of them is the whole the like learning that you need to do it anyway or do it scared. But another one is that people care. I mean, I've I've literally gone through my whole life thinking, and I hope I don't cry doing this, but like I don't matter and I don't have a voice. And then if somebody says, let me so Don, I love you so much because he when I was talking and spinning my wheels about, oh, I'm gonna start a podcast, I'm gonna start a podcast for two years. He was like, I'm gonna just like it's literally not gonna cost me anything, but it has also given me everything. Um he didn't have to do that. He didn't have to he didn't have to give me his points, but he also if he hadn't, none of this would have happened. So, you know, me saying I don't matter in my head, and then having someone do something so nice, and then and you know, it just it happens that way. Some people just surprise you. Like you and I, we met like once, we met once in June, and here we are at your 200th episode, and me spilling my gut. I would not have expected that, but you care, and I think you see me, and I didn't see me, so it's just stuff like that. Like, I don't, I'm like just on my path and doing, I know, same. Um I'm doing my thing and in my in my little zone of like I don't matter, and then someone will just like put out this like red carpet, or just like send me some something that's so so kind, and I'm just like, how do you even see me? And so just you know, reminders of stuff of stuff like that where people are like just so kind. I just I love nice people.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

Yeah, a lot, a lot of people do care, and I think a lot of us often don't realize that, even if we don't have in our head that we we don't matter, like I think a lot of us don't realize that how much other people do care.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

And I think that sometimes it's someone maybe going over the top with their kindness that actually gets my attention because I think that I'm like I'm just in this zone and and I can't see anyone. I'm like, nobody cares, nobody cares, and I'm just like I'm on my own. And then someone does something that's so nice, and I'm just like, oh gosh, I'm really here. Like, someone's really this person is so kind and so kind that it's like beating me on the head. Like, look at me, look at me, I'm being nice. So that's just it's an it's more of an awareness for me that I'm like I'm being more aware of that and open to it and not like nobody cares. But so I mentioned that I I wanted to go to music school, I wanted to be a singer, I stopped singing. Like I stopped singing soon after I got married, so like 2012, maybe. I just this anxiety came over me where I was like, and this is really like falling in, it's it's following the same sort of thing, but like if I suck at singing and my friends say that was really great, I what I what's in my head is they're lying, they're lying to be nice, and so if someone says that sounds really good, I'm like, nah, like I can't I can't trust that. Um and so I stopped singing because I can sing in front of an arena or something where I don't know anybody or I can't see anyone, but if I know someone is there, if I know somebody who's there, I can't because I'm afraid that they will either say, Wow, that was really bad, or say it was really, really good, and I don't trust that. So I don't trust my own, I don't trust myself and I don't trust others. I have a trust problem, but then I trust people too much sometimes, and it's a weird, I don't understand that. But um just I don't sing in front of people that I know anymore because I don't trust, I don't trust myself trusting them. That's a weird thing.

Breathwork For Clarity And Awareness

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Oh, Amy. I really just want to hug you right now. I wish you were closer to me. I want to hug me too. So I want to transition a tad again. And you've done this with me, so I'm curious. Oh, you've done breath work with me before. So I'd love to know your thoughts on who you think or would recommend breath work for.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

I would recommend breath work for someone who I want to say has a hard time focusing or knows that they have the wrong focus, but are not quite sure what paths to take. Because I know, I mean, at least that that was it for me. When I started doing breath work with you, I feel like I was I was pretty lost and I needed a path. And it's not like it it gave me the straight, you know, the straight path that I needed, but it did bring some awareness and some focus. I don't think I lost consciousness, but like it was a very different consciousness. I didn't lose consciousness, I found a different consciousness. Oh it is late and I might break I might not be making sense. It was a connection to myself that I didn't have before. And so for someone else who might be needing that, someone that might feel a little bit lost, someone that needs a little clarity, someone that doesn't stop to breathe. Like we just go and don't think about we don't think, we don't notice we're just on autopilot.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

That's true. What would you say it's helped you with the most?

SPEAKER_03 51:04

I mean, like I said, it's just a like a different sort of consciousness, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna say awareness again. It just I had thoughts come into my head that I had not had before. It was interesting that thoughts were coming and I wasn't thinking. Because that's usually how that works for me. I have to have a purpose and something in mind, and then work on that. Um, and then thoughts came in that I did not expect.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Is there anyone you wouldn't recommend Blackwork for?

SPEAKER_03 51:37

I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I feel what would it hurt? What would it hurt to try? I don't know. Maybe someone who has it completely together would learn something, you know. So I don't want to say no, you know, somebody shouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

I don't know what their journey is.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

I get that. So from here, what's next for you? You've been podcasting for four years. I mean from here. Where do you see it in the next two years?

SPEAKER_03 52:10

I don't know. I mean, it would be pretty cool if uh somebody wanted to sponsor my podcast. Just saying, if anybody's interested. Wait, wait, imagine. Grounded in Maine. We're about talking about sustainability if you want to sponsor. Um, but I've also had another podcast idea. I don't know. Music podcast. Uh but I need a co-host and I don't have that yet. Because I don't want to do all the work. I don't want to do all the work.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

You will figure that out. Oh, you'll find one, I'm sure. Yeah. So I want to transition to Tad one more time. I know you went through a big physical transition where you made a physical move.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

I did.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

You were grounded in Maine on the podcast, and physically in Maine, and you left Maine and went to Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

Yes. Yeah, after my divorce as a single person, it was too expensive. My situation was not ideal for staying in. I mean, I got the dog, the cats, and the chickens, and it's not like I can just find a place to rent anywhere uh with that brood. And so I ended up house in Virginia, very southern, rural Virginia. Yeah, I did that. And it's over, it's over this week.

SPEAKER_04 53:46

Oh, what made you choose Virginia?

SPEAKER_03 53:50

Well, Virginia was far from my life. It was it was a state that I could keep my job with, because not every state works that way. I don't understand it. I think it's a tax thing. So Virginia was a state that I could move to for work, and and I was like, I'll, you know, if I'm gonna move somewhere, I want a longer growing season. If I have that choice, I want a long so Virginia it was. Florida was not an ocean. I don't want to be in Florida. No, no, too hot. But so Virginia was. It was very random. It was so hard. Like I at that point when I was going through my divorce, I was like, my brain was functioning. And so, you know, people are like, you have the whole world open to you. You can move anywhere. That paralyzed me. I could move anywhere. Where do I where would I even go? Where would I even go? For real. I choose from anywhere. Is it like just like point at a map with your eyes closed? I did not have that much faith in myself. And I was it was too many options. So Virginia was one of the options.

SPEAKER_04 55:08

But Virginia wasn't it.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Virginia wasn't it. Another one of the things that I was thinking of, so was choosing Virginia. This is Southern Virginia. I'm like 10-15 minutes from North Carolina line. There were like four podcasters, four podcast friends in North Carolina. So I was like, at least that, you know, I'll have podcaster friends close by. And um that didn't last. So I'm and I won't do this again. I will not move somewhere to be close to somebody else on purpose because that backfired on me big time. So I'm in Virginia, but I'm leaving this week to go back to Maine for who knows how long.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

Was it difficult realizing that you weren't meant to be where you gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

Yes. Oh, so hard. It was so hard. Because I mean during my little rant about singing, I don't trust myself and I don't trust other people, but I was like, I literally can't make good decisions. I chose this place that was so wrong for me, and now I'm stuck. And even still, I'm moving, but my house hasn't sold. My house is still on the market, and I'm just gonna take a financial hit. So that it was so hard. It was so hard. And then like nobody buying my house that was I've been wanting to move for almost a year.

SPEAKER_04 56:42

Did anything help you with like accepting that it you're not where you're meant to be? No. Okay. It might not have. No, I mean there doesn't have to be a yes. I said did anyway.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

Yeah, not necessarily. I mean, it's I at first it was just a like really down on myself. Like, I can't make good decisions. I literally can't make good decisions for the life to save my life. And then, you know, just talking to just in like telling people about this. I'm like, it's just not meant for me. I don't belong here, and that was a mistake, but it's a big mistake, it's a big costly, heartbreaking mistake. But I will live. I'm gonna live to tell about it.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

And maybe it'll be better. Maybe everything will be better. We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

That could be. Like even one that you don't necessarily know that you learned, you know what I mean? Could have been a small one. Right. Could have been something random that somebody said to you while you were down there that will shift you for the future, you know? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

Yeah. I mean it's really it's sort of really shifted me into thinking about possibly running for some office.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Small office. But getting involved. And I thought I thought about it years ago, but this is like taught me that people need to fight for people that they care about. Governor Baldeck, okay. Oh no, not governor, oh no, but something. Town council, something like that. No, not big.

SPEAKER_04 58:42

You consider governor too big? Yes. Okay, noted.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

I don't want to be that. Well, not I mean, not everyone. You know, people either love you or hate you. And I don't want I don't want people hating me.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

They might hate you as town council.

SPEAKER_03 58:59

They might.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

But I I mean who am I? Town council?

SPEAKER_04 59:04

It doesn't matter that much.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

I want to have a voice. It does not have to be the voice of an entire state.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

Probably better not. I mean, I just feel like I feel like lower in rank is like it's more powerful. You have more connection with the people. Maybe. We'll see. I get that. I'm not I'm not there yet. But this has given me there's not a lot of representation.

SPEAKER_02 59:31

Just say that. Not a lot of representation. Fair enough.

Rapid Fire Questions Closing And Giveaway

SPEAKER_04 59:37

Well, Amy, I enjoyed this. Thank you. Thank you for speaking with me on this fun late night.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Thanks for making it happen. Thank you for asking me.

SPEAKER_04 59:50

Oh my gosh, thank you for saying yes. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

So episode 200.

SPEAKER_04 59:58

I know. And y'all, my own mother declined joining me for the episode. Yeah. Then I was like, Amy, this lady, whoa, fucking come on the show with me. And then I'm like, I sent Amy a voice note complaining. And then I was like, wait a minute. Oh my god, you were almost near 200. You should chat with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:24

Here we are. I am almost at 200 on episode what 195 this week.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

Yes, exciting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

For someone who didn't have a voice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:37

Well, you're the podcast and would say otherwise.

unknown 1:00:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

True story.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:43

So you probably know since you tune into the podcast that I'm going to ask you these questions, whether you want to answer them or not. But you know who Jay Shetty is?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:52

I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

And you know those questions that I'm going to ask you?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:57

I don't remember them word for word, but yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

That's okay. He's got two segments that he ends the podcast with. First segment is the many sides to us, and there's five questions, and you need to answer them in one word each. Okay? Do my best, yes. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

What is one word someone who is meeting you for the first time would use to describe you as?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:27

Shine?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:30

What is one word someone who knows you extremely well would use to describe you as kind? What is one word you'd use to describe yourself?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Um learning.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:48

What is one word that if someone didn't like you or agree with your mindset would use to describe you as?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

It's not What is one word you're trying to embody right now? Self-love. It's technically hyphenated.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:11

I've had a guest say that to me before. Or even Yeah, you've had two. It's not everything you can't put a hyphen in between stuff and just make it one word. But it's fine. Second segment is the final is hyphenated. Rave. Second segment is the final five. These can be answered in a sentence. Okay? Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

Ready.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:41

What is the best advice you've heard or received?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

You don't know you don't have to know everything to start.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

Why is that the best?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

Because if you wait until you know everything, it'll never happen. And it has made all the difference for me. It'll never happen. I agree. Or might never happen, I guess. But either way. That's why it's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

That's actually why it's the best. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

Ooh, well I don't really know. I can't I've definitely been given bad advice. That you no. I don't know. I don't have an answer for that. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. I maybe should have planned that.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:45

Amy, I've got all night. Oh wait.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

I mean what what's coming to mind is that you need to you need to be married. You need to be married. I guess that's I mean I don't I don't I'm like that's what's coming to mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

It's not what I was thinking, but you need to be married to to have a full life. Why thought the wife's advice? This is definitely not true.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:20

Fair enough. See, you had an answer? I ha no, I have an answer. It's just not it's not what I was thinking you were looking for, or not really.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:30

There's not a certain thing I'm not really looking for. I'm not looking for any particular thing. I ain't looking for any particular things.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:36

It's not really what I was feeling, but it was the only thing that came to my head.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

That's what your soul felt like sharing. Okay, number three. What is something that you used to value that you no longer value?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

What doesn't hold value? Shoot. I mean, for me, it's money. Money does not hold value. I mean, it's just it's a tool. I don't like it. And it's not something that I've I used to value.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:12

I've just never so that's probably not the best answer, but that's what I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

If you could describe what you would want your legacy to be, as if someone was reading it, what would you want it to say?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

That I use my life to validate others, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:41

Words are not coming out right, but something like that. Using my experience to validate others.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:50

Vulnerability teaching with vulnerability. That's a lot of words.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

But if you could create one law in the world that everyone had to follow, what would it be? And I wanna know why.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Um I mean the state of the world right now, not to be political, but just like treat people the way you want to be treated. Don't

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

Treat someone like they are worth less. We all like Yeah. We're all human. We're all human. Treat people like human beings. We're not like we don't have less value. Something like that. Why would that be the law? Because it feels like that would solve a lot of problems.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

It just does for me. People everyone has value and to treat people like they don't is just not cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

It's just not cool. I get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

Well, thank you so much, Amy. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:23

Happy to be here. And gosh, I get to talk to your face. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:28

Oh, Amy! It has. Amy gets a lot of voice notes from me, but she doesn't always see my face. So it's different than just hearing my voice. I get that. I get that. And I will link Amy's podcast in the show notes for you guys to check her out over on Grounded in Maine. And no pressure if you if you've got nothing. But I do like to always give it back to the guest if there's anything else you feel compelled to share.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

I'm just so proud of you.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

200 episodes, dude. That's so awesome. It's such a nice big number.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:17

That's a nice round number. I really, like, I'm just I'm so proud of you. Look at you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:25

Are you proud of you? I'm proud of me. Good. Anything else you want to share with the listeners, though? No, ma'am.

unknown 1:08:35

I think that worked.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:37

I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me very much. Of course. And thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Mandar's Mindset. Thank you so much for tuning in to the 200th episode of Mandir's Mindset. I really hope you enjoyed that episode with Amy. My two biggest takeaways from that conversation that Amy mentioned were one, just do the thing. Whatever the thing is for you, just do it. Number two, there are people that care. Whether you realize it or whether you believe it, people around care about you. People want you here. There may be days when you don't feel like it. There may be days when you feel like you don't matter in the world. I promise you, you do. And if you were not here, somebody would miss you. I hope you keep that in mind. On your more difficult days. And in honor of the 200th episode of Mando's Mindset, there is a link in the show notes with a survey. I will be giving away a$25 Amazon gift code and a Mando's Mindset t-shirt to one winner who fills out the survey. There are only four questions on the survey. The survey is valid until Monday, May 11th at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And it will just give me a little bit of feedback about how you like Mando's Mindset and what you like podcasts to look like. It does ask for your name and your email in order for me to reach out for the Mando's Mindset t-shirt and a$25 Amazon gift code. Thank you guys so much for tuning into this episode of Mando's Mindset. And we'll catch you in the next one. In case no one told you today, I'm proud of you. I'm voting for you. And you got this. As always, if you enjoyed the show, I would really appreciate it if you would leave me a five-star rating. Leave a review. And share with anyone you think would benefit from that. And don't forget. You are only one mindset shift away. One shift in your way. Thanks, guys, until next time.