Manders Mindset
Hosted by Amanda Russo, The Breathing Goddess, who is a Breathwork Detox Facilitator, Transformative Mindset Coach, and Divorce Paralegal.
Amanda's journey into mindset and empowerment began by working with children in group homes and daycares. She later transitioned to family law, helping people navigate the challenging emotions of divorce. During this time, Amanda also overcame her own weight and health challenges through strength training, meditation, yoga, reiki, and plant medicine.
Amanda also shares her personal journey, detailing how she transformed obstacles into opportunities by adopting a healthier, holistic lifestyle.
Discover practical strategies and inspiring stories that will empower you to break free from limitations and cultivate a mindset geared towards growth and positivity.
Tune in for a fun, friendly, and empowering experience that will help you become the best version of yourself.
Manders Mindset
87: Navigating Childhood Secrets & Career Reinvention with Jon Emery
What happens when your childhood is a secret waiting to be discovered?
In this insightful episode, Manders sits down with Jon Emery, a fellow podcaster, and entrepreneur, to discuss his journey of personal growth, resilience, and transformation. Jon opens up about his challenging upbringing, how his parents’ divorce affected him, and his decision to break the cycle. They dive deep into his 20-year career in a printing factory, the life-changing experience of losing his job, and how these pivotal moments pushed him to embrace a new path in life.
Jon also shares his struggles with divorce, the emotional toll it took, and how finding support through a men’s group helped him navigate through one of the darkest periods of his life. They discuss the importance of self-improvement, the role of spirituality, and his decision to launch a podcast to inspire others by sharing their stories of growth and overcoming adversity.
Tune in to hear about Jon’s journey from working a factory job to discovering his true passion and how he uses his podcast to help others along the way. 🎙️
Timeline Summary:
[0:25] – Introduction to Jon Emery and his background.
[1:10] – Jon shares his childhood experiences and how his father’s bar shaped his views on life.
[5:57] – Transitioning into adulthood: Moving out, starting college, and entering the workforce.
[9:35] – Losing his long-term job in the printing factory and how it became a turning point.
[19:28] – The emotional journey of his divorce and its impact on his life.
[25:22] – Joining a men’s support group and how it changed his perspective on communication and relationships.
[43:57] – Jon’s podcasting journey: How his personal growth inspired him to start his show.
[52:40] – Reflections on consistency, determination, and personal growth through podcasting.
CLICK HERE TO WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE!
To Connect with Amanda:
linktree.com/thebreathinggoddess
Instagram
TikTok
Join the Manders Mindset Facebook Community HERE!
Follow Manders Mindset on Instagram HERE!
To Connect with Jon:
~ Jon Emery’s Podcast: Life’s Checkmark
~ Jon Emery’s website: https://lifescheckmark.com/
~ Instagram
~ Facebook
If you enjoyed this episode, please take a moment to rate, subscribe, and share the podcast with someone who will benefit from hearing this episode.
Your support helps us bring more insightful conversations to listeners like you. Don’t forget to leave a review and tell us what resonated with you the most from today’s episode!
Welcome to the Manders Mindset Podcast. Here you'll find both monologue and interviews of entrepreneurs, coaches, healers and a variety of other people when your host, amanda Russo, will discuss her own mindset and perspective and her guest's mindset and perspective on the world around us. Manders and her guests will help explain to you how shifting your mindset will shift your life.
Speaker 2:Hello, beautiful souls, welcome to another episode of Amanda's Mindset. I'm your host, amanda Russo, and I am here today with an awesome guest who I had the pleasure of meeting through PodFest, who also has a podcast as well, and I had the honor of being on his podcast, and I am here with John Emery today. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3:Thank you for having me with you. This is going to be awesome.
Speaker 2:I'd love if we could backtrack and you could take us down memory lane your childhood, a little bit of your upbringing and what led you to here today upbringing and what led you to here today?
Speaker 3:Sure, yeah. So my dad had a bar a tavern is what they called it. So he was working there and he was a bartender, part owner with my grandmother. And along that journey I seen people drink and stuff happen, because I was in there through my teenage years, helping in the back, cleaning up every once a while, you know, not as much as it was open, but after hours, and seeing some stuff I didn't care for, which led me to probably not drinking until I was like 22. You know that that was a huge gap, but it was. It was enough to make me like I don't want to go down that road and I could come back to that part too. But so he had a bar and I found out when I was around the age of 19.
Speaker 3:I moved out, my sister wound up going into the navy and my mom knocking on my door at my apartment. I had and was like I'm leaving and I'm like, oh okay, I'm shocked, like this doesn't make sense to me, knowing that most of my dad's side got divorced. You know it was just like the path that they were on, whatever reason. Come to find out, my parents were divorced, like when I was eight or maybe younger, and I had no idea. We just lived in the same house. So I don't know if that changed my life forever, because we were still in the same house, thinking that we were still family or whatnot, and I was dumbfounded because other people knew around me. We just had no, me and my sister had no idea until that day.
Speaker 3:But I do remember after that fact of trying to deal with it, I couldn't deal with helping her move out. It was just not a part of me that wanted to experience that, even though she needed help. I helped a little bit and left. But my dad did tell me after the fact that he's like oh, I remember when you were eight, seven, whatever it was, and you're like oh, where's your ring? And he's like oh, I just want you to remember that I'm your father and that's your mother and that's all you need to know. And that was enough to still stick in my head today, that he told me that you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I guess when I was young I just considered that, okay, why even think about it again? You know, sometimes people don't wear their rings and they're still happily married and I never saw anything through my whole life as a kid Like they're not together, they're not married, nothing. I do remember where we left when I was young, with my mom in an apartment for a little bit, but I knew nothing about a whole divorce or anything like that whenever that actually took place. So that was my upbringing. As far as the divorce part goes and my parents, they went their separate ways when I was around, like I said, 19, 20 years old and I was living my own and feel free to jump in any time because I can keep going with my journey here you said you mentioned your sister.
Speaker 2:Was it just you and your sister?
Speaker 3:yes, yeah, it was just me and my sister. She was one year younger than me okay, and now?
Speaker 2:how old were you when your mom came knocking on the apartment door to tell you?
Speaker 3:that 19 or 20. Yeah, I did move out much longer. I didn't leave home much long after she came. She was pretty much, I guess, waiting for me and my sister to move on, and she was ready, it seems like, when it came down to it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you remember this, but were they affectionate to one another at all?
Speaker 3:I want to say yes, at least. Maybe not all the time, and it's hard to remember that stuff because there's not like looking for it, but they always were there. My dad always worked the night shift park, maybe from three o'clock till three in the morning, and then my model worked day shift, so they really didn't see each other as much when he was working at the bar. But other than that, I like the weekends and we would still do family things, family vacations, so I never saw a gap whatsoever. Yeah, so that's not it. If that changed the course of my life, because they stayed together or or what? Because of what other people experienced later on in life and we go into that earlier If that changed my change to who I am today, we have to go into some other stuff.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, so you found out about this around 1920, and how was that?
Speaker 3:it was shocking, I can't believe it. And then when she asked for help, I just okay, I'll help him, but I want to go give him help. Then I just couldn't do it, because we went from a five-bedroom home to her, moving out, and then my dad was by himself, I was gone, my sister was going to the Navy, and so it was just him in a five-bedroom house where we grew up. That's where we grew up.
Speaker 2:And now did you go to college?
Speaker 3:I went for about a year and that was about it. So I wound up going. It was probably I can't remember for sure, but I want to say I did the first semester and then I wound up getting a full-time job, like second shift, for the second semester I was going full-time and then working full-time, and then when it came to like May or whatever, I was just like I'm done, I can't, I'm making money and I didn't like what college was teaching me. I didn't like how. It was just another high school.
Speaker 3:In a sense I saw benefits for it, but at the time I was making money. I was living in an apartment. Things changed now, but it was pretty cheap back then and I didn't have to cash all my checks if I wanted to. You know, it was just. Times were different. At the time, I guess I had a beat up car. It was my first car, it was paid in cash, all that stuff. But yeah, so that's I went for. I was going for computer science and it was more the code back then. Now everything's changed. So I wound up getting a job at a printing factory when I was about 19.
Speaker 2:At a what factory?
Speaker 3:Printing factory. How was that? It was different, right? So it was just because at the time I had my friends. They worked there and the one was a printer and the other guy was just cleaning the floors. It was a good size company, the place we were working at.
Speaker 3:And so I'm like, okay, I'm just looking for a job, I don't care. And this is funny because I go in there and the guy comes out. He's like, oh, can you work x amount of hours? I'm like yeah, and he's like, can you do this? I'm like yeah, he's like I had to hire and that's how it was back then, like with these guys, and that was it like. And I'm afraid of my friends and it was. I'm like all right. So so I think I started the next week and I was just at the time I was starting I was cleaning parts, like that was the bottom of the bottom in that plant. So you're just cleaning 30 ink parts that they had in the machine so that they can reuse the parts when they go into the next job. So as a pre-battery we were mostly doing your Hershey Kiss wrappers to boil with colors and stuff on it some yogurt stuff. So at the time we were doing Jack's Cheese Curls bags, pokemon cards that would cover the cards, stuff like that okay, approximately when was this?
Speaker 3:2000.
Speaker 2:The year 2000 has started january wow, they only asked you two questions. I was just curious to the not as far as everyone where that's it I know.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, once we go summer on it, you know okay, and how long do you stay there?
Speaker 3:I was there for 20 years. So I was in there in that room I'd moved around to. They had a section they called the slitting section. So they'd take the big rolls, slid them down the small rolls that would actually go to the customers and then they would cut them at their facility in the certain sizes they needed and then they would cut them at their facility to certain sizes they needed. So I was in the sledding section cleaning up, doing stuff there and then I went up getting the warehousing and the logistics and stuff and it was me and maybe three other guys that ran that area, that department, for a while. So yeah, I was there for 20 years and we wound up closing around COVID time, not due to COVID, but just because they saw that our plant wasn't performing as their other plant. These were the only two plants they had in the US.
Speaker 2:So post this. Where'd you go from there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I let go. And then it was October 2020, I guess I think it was October 2020. I want to say that's when the production site stopped. So like 60 people walked out the door and that was hard to see that happen, since I was in the logistics, the shipping receiving area. I was pretty much there until it was gutted. I saw all the machines go out the door. We swept the whole floor. I couldn't tell you how big this place was, but I was one of the last to agree that we're at the plant when they shut the door.
Speaker 3:I was there until May the following year. That gives you a timeframe for how long it took to take everything out, to get down the racks. I put up the racks. I had to take down All the stuff we received in is everything we had to ship out. That was not fun, and so I wound up leaving that job with the hopes of doing something different. I always wanted out. God, universe, whatever, gave me that push. So here's your opportunity. And it took me a while to see that. So I had no idea what I was going to do. So I wound up just doing some side stuff after a while, just fixing up apartments for people I knew. And the guy that sold it to me, he had an opportunity where he was bringing people on producers. So he's like oh, you have integrity, you'd be great, let's give it. Come in, give it a shot.
Speaker 3:So I got my insurance license. I started learning everything I had to offer. I started doing YouTube you know videos and stuff to share. What it was all about and that's where it started for me, with getting out there a little bit, feeling it out and not being afraid of putting yourself out there in the world.
Speaker 3:So I played around with that till January the following year and then things happened at home. So I wound up stopping doing the insurance part. I was able to make one client it was somebody in my family and he's like I don't want to call anyways the guy I was working with at the time. He's like oh, you did great, you know you sold it to a family member and they're the hardest ones. I'm like, oh, okay, you know, I mean it sounds good, but so I mean that was a win and it was definitely a life-changing event for me to learn something new, not to have steady income. I wound up losing insurance after six months, because that's how long that my previous job paid for. So this, you know I didn't have that anymore, that security as people would say and you know I said that in quotations because a job is supposed to be security, but I wound up losing that after 20 years. So I don't believe in that. So yeah, so things shifted for me after January, february of that year. Then Wow.
Speaker 2:Now you said you always wanted out, but you were there for 20 years. Exactly what made you not leave?
Speaker 3:Well, I was up there like five weeks of vacation. I was getting top pay, I had insurance for the kids. I had two kids so I had to make sure they were covered and the benefits, everything was just fine for me. I would not have probably left if they didn't close the doors. They were covered and you know the benefits, everything was just fine for me and I, you know, I would not have probably left if they didn't close the doors as much as I would probably feel.
Speaker 3:But you know, I got in the rhythm. It's hamster wheel, whatever you want to call it. I was stuck going, getting there every day, taking care of everything, helping fix problems. Whatever you want to call it, it's just comfortable, helping fix problems, whatever you want to call it, it's just comfortable. I got comfortable, as you could say, and just stuck in the way of how life was Get up, go to work, come home, take care of the house, take care of the kids, take care of the family and just start all over again, right? I mean a lot of people do that now. They'll come home and just relax, start all over again.
Speaker 2:That's true. So now you have the benefits, you have a good pay. So what was it that made you want out?
Speaker 3:I wound up going through self-improvement books and stuff for a while. While I was there, I was starting to read things. Listen, tobert kiyosaki. Ed mylet became one later on. I forget some other ones in the past, but it was enough.
Speaker 3:There's all this different kind of information coming my way listening to podcasts and audiobooks and I just saw another side of things, that I didn't have to be stuck in this hamster wheel. I didn't have, or rat race as you would call it. There's opportunity out there, and I didn't know what that was. I didn't know anything, right, because I've been at this place for 20 years. Once I was a teenager, so I knew nothing new I will share with you. I didn't share this before, but I did invest in some rental properties. The first house I bought was a three unit and I was in my early 20s and I worked on that by myself. I redid the carpet and all that stuff. That was all new to me too. I rented it out myself and then I wound up having kids and I'm like my job was this way my house is here, and then I had to go drive up there to take care of the apartment and I'm like this is too much. So I wound up getting a property management company, which was totally different to deal with. It was definitely. If anybody's going to get involved in real estate, I'd definitely say, do it, but do it yourself first and learn the ins and outs and make sure you have that cushion there, that pay for somebody to do it, because it does step you away and has somebody between you and tenants talk. So I did do that.
Speaker 3:I did want to buy my dad's house, the house I grew up in. I was trying to redo it, flip it. I had somebody move in it. Unfortunately, that's when the recession picked in and I had to let that one go. I had to let go of another house where we used to live, but I learned so I'm not in those cases. I don't really want to be that person anymore that has the property to look after. I'd rather, hopefully, down the road, be the one that invests money and gets kind of return on instead of being hands-on. So that opened up avenues.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't say I didn't do it right, but it allowed me to see a different side. I wish I continued that more when I was working, but I got stuck. I didn't reach out to others that were doing it as much. I didn't try to learn the whole process. How do I take from here and grow? I can only just read and listen to so much. It would be connecting with somebody close, somebody I knew in person. That would probably get me over that hump and change things. I know I changed course there a little bit, but I did see the opportunities before I even left that I could do something else. Whatever that was, I was insured.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay. So you got into life insurance and you got into real estate. What'd you like better?
Speaker 3:I wish I stuck with the insurance more, even though it was hard to sell it in the beginning because I never did sales. I wish I stuck with it because I was starting to learn more about what I had to offer, how to maybe network and talk to people better. I did wind up doing 10 Facebook Lives with entrepreneurs to understand their business and maybe they'd be interested in what I had to offer them, because what we were doing I don't know if you know it was called infinite banking. There's a whole bunch of different words out there for it, but it seems like entrepreneurs understood it better. So that's why the guy that was teaching me that's who he targets because they get it. They get cash flow. I did Facebook Lives, which was new. We're recording this, but going live is totally different, anything can happen.
Speaker 2:How were the Facebook Lives?
Speaker 3:They were good. I liked them. That's when I'm sparking my podcast. I wound up using them to start it.
Speaker 3:That's what's worth it Really Right. In a way it was enough to get me going to start the podcast. It took a while and we could go down that path. But doing the Facebook lives was new. It was started with some people I knew in the area that were entrepreneurs. I was part of a networking group since I was doing life insurance. The kids were in school, out of school sometimes because of COVID. But yeah, I was starting to venture around and maybe I'm different now, but at the time I wasn't really into talking in front of people. So when I was at this networking group I was able to share everything I knew about the insurance part with like 12 people sitting at a table and it was nerve wracking but it was enough to get me up over that too. So I'm glad for the one moment. That kind of pushed me a little bit there too.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's awesome. Now you say it was a little bit of time in between then and the podcast. Like if you know approximately? We talk in years. Are we talking months Time frame approximately.
Speaker 3:I'm going to guess two years.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, but it gave you a little bit of that push. Okay, gave me a standpoint. Yeah, I get that. Now, your kids how old are your kiddos?
Speaker 3:yeah, I get that now your kids. How old are your kiddos? Right now they are 14 and 11.
Speaker 2:So my 14 year old's my son and 11 is my daughter. Okay, and are you married? What about?
Speaker 3:sure. No, I'm not married, I'm divorced. I'm not sure like I'll explain. So, like I was doing the life insurance and somewhere around that year things were happening at home. Stuff was said I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 3:We were married for almost 15 years, 21 years together. I basically met her when I was 19 and worked together the whole time. So I was, I couldn't figure yeah, I get the job hard on that. Uh kind of came up a little bit and so she wound up getting a like part-time job at the school, helping as an assistant teacher or whatever they call it, like something like that. Anyways, from february till may of that year and I'm going maybe three years ago now I wound up losing 20 pounds. I couldn't sleep. There was times when somebody showed up late in the morning. It was never happened before, especially when we have kids. I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 3:So, as podcasters, you know, we listen to podcasts and it's just weird how I listen to. I think it's that edge, I think that's what it's called right now, and that was in January of that year and for whatever reason, they had this program and you could pay so much per month and it was just about men it's straight-up men being better at different areas. I listened to it two years ago because I wanted to be a better father. It was a thing of mine. I wanted to try to learn how to show up and, for whatever reason, I listened to this podcast again and I wound, went signing up. Now they have all uh classes throughout the week where you can join these other men on zooms and stuff and just talk about whatever it is. I didn't attend any of them because I felt like I was losing something.
Speaker 3:So I didn't want to lose the time I had with my kids and what I did was I made connections with maybe four or five men out of that group. Some of them went through what I went through. Some of them were going through what I was going through. So they got it and I had the opportunity where if I called one, the one didn't answer. I called another one, the other one would answer just because and they would listen to me. I would listen to them.
Speaker 3:Not that I felt like I had much advice for them at the time, but it was soothing and calming the nerves that somebody else dealt with the same stuff or they were going through it and they could see where you're coming from. So, for example, one guy is in canada. Never met him in person. Uh, I told him like well, this is where I'm at, and I forget how far into and this is before divorce was even mentioned. I forget maybe a couple months into it. So let's just say march, april. He's like yeah, you're going to divorce. I'm like, you know, I'm like no I'm like freaking out.
Speaker 3:I'm like freak it out because that was the last thing I wanted. Because of my dad's side, I'll go to divorce. I never wanted that to happen, but he said it and it was enough to make me, I guess, start to realize and prepare and settle, just in case it came. And then another guy who I had on my podcast haven't met him in person yet, but he was part of the group and he had a masculine course or whatever. It was like a four-week course or whatever masculinity course or something. And so I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3:The first two I was pouring my eyes out because I couldn't figure out what was going on. It was me, him and another guy. And the other guy was married and he was there just to be a better man, for whatever reason. And so the third session came and I wasn't pouring my eyes out, I was calm, talking, listening, taking things in, and so through these sessions we were basically like learning the communication. Like you're a woman, your communication is totally different than a man, and so if you had a diagram, like it would hit a wall and some somehow go around and I would have to communicate back to the woman.
Speaker 3:This is what I heard. Is that right? You know in that sense, so we can go. Yes, that's exactly what I said. White or whatever tells. So you know, the man put the food in the refrigerator after dinner. So he just takes the pasta pans and put the food in the refrigerator, thinking that's okay. She never said to put it into a container, then put it in the refrigerator, right. So that's the part where the communication gap is. So stuff like that, and it makes sense, right. So then people start to fight over something and it's not meant to be. But he heard it this way. She meant it a different way, thinking that you're reading what she said, you're understanding what she's saying, because she already knows how she would do it, not how he would do it. So that's what the sessions were.
Speaker 3:I can't remember all of them for sure. I do have them somewhere stored, but I do remember the diagram showing something along those ways and going through that course, I, and talking to these men, I think, when we sat at a table and she said I want a divorce, I, I was more prepared, yeah, I basically. I basically say I'm done. I'm done trying to figure it all out, because I was trying to figure it all out forever. And yeah, there was a bunch of stuff going on. I could just drive me nuts, but it was enough for me to be okay with it and see what happens.
Speaker 2:Wow, I think that's amazing. You were able to find that group, though, especially beforehand. I've never been married, so I've never been divorced, but I've been a divorced paralegal for almost five years, so I've seen a lot of sides of it, regardless of how you feel about it, even if you're the one who wants it like it. I've had so many people tell me how difficult it is to go through that is pretty cool.
Speaker 3:You can look stuff up like that. It's just communication and that's the problem I think a lot of people have. They don't communicate, and I feel like that was part of our issue, too, is maybe she didn't want to say something, afraid that I would take it the wrong way, when that's all we had to do was sit down and talk about things this way After divorce was done. Everything we did to go through the divorce we could have done before and it could have solved all the problems Not me the problem, not her the problem, but the problems. You have to come together as a team and battle whatever it is you're going through. Communication is definitely huge and that's why it's up on my like, it's up here Whenever that person or whatever shows up. We have to talk the deep conversations. Let's just get through it. This is us get through it.
Speaker 2:This is us, honestly, I think from everything I've seen outside of infidelity. I think majority of it is communication. Yeah, I think so too. Like whether even, like you mentioned, like these small things that slowly lead to bigger things, or even people not mentioning the small thing that bothers you, it builds up and then there you go, one thing leads to another, you know right and you know I, you know you could be thinking something.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you're thinking. You gotta tell me and that's the problem. That's the problem. I hate to say it was women, right, like it's just you're. You know you're like worry and I know we don't. I know what you're thinking. That's why we ask you to tell us so we can deal with it, right.
Speaker 2:I think as women, we have this. Even like you mentioned the pot and pan example, I have this it's common sense that you are not going to stick the pan in the fridge, so I should not have to say this I don't know, but you know, think of the time of cleaning another container.
Speaker 3:We see, you know it's, yeah, it's stuff like that. That's what the men are thinking. It's well, just to take it from here, put it in there and it's done Instead of saran wrap or you know some kind of upwork container you know, you got, I sure it's, I get it, but I'm not, you know, but it is funny, right. But that, just that example alone, is enough for somebody to have an argument for what. You know. It's something where I guess you should just laugh and go hey, next time let's just well, let's put it in a container. Oh no, that's true. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3:You know, I talk about communication and you can't have the hallway of communication. You say something and you're just walking by. You have to sit down and have that interaction. A lot of it, I believe, is you know, you could be sitting on the couch watching a movie and something's said, and then the person gets up and walks away. So you have no time to go back and forth and try to figure things out. It's just okay. And then now what? So now you feel like you're a bad guy, using good terms here. They don't talk to each other for a while, something like that. It's yeah. So I want to say for me there was that hallway communication that just happened to show up and then you're trying to think in your head I don't get it.
Speaker 2:How can I fix this? No, that I like that analogy Hallway communication. I've never heard that before. That makes it makes a lot of sense to me. I'm a very visual person, so like I could like see that I could see what you were saying well, it's like hi, you know, you walk by somewhere.
Speaker 3:You say hi, well, this time you're walking by and you say something just keep on, you know, instead of trying out all what they're trying to get.
Speaker 2:I think that could even tie into so much more. Nowadays, with, like social media and texting, and you've got people that'll say something super quickly, that they're upset over in a text and it's like what does this really mean?
Speaker 3:I hate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah, you can't really tell how somebody's saying it.
Speaker 3:No, there's no emotions. You're going to hit the wrong one.
Speaker 2:Bunny, I've done that so many times. No, I have done that so many times. I'm the person that accidentally sends the laughing emoji when I need to send the crying one, and people are like, why are you laughing that I like lost my job? Like I've been that person. So it happens you know what I mean. Like cause it's so quick and easy to just send, yeah, one little.
Speaker 3:That's why you got to pick up the phone and call and and understand. You know where people come from. So when somebody says something on um facebook, you know they're all so and so, like their family. You know, have that interaction with showing me care, not just I'm sorry. I pray for you. You know that's, it's nice but it's not everything. You know they're looking for somebody to reach out in a way, not just a response saying, you know, with our prayers and stuff that's so true.
Speaker 2:Why do you think we worked away from like? Because I see that probably at least once a week Somebody's lost somebody and you see like 50 to hundreds of comments about them Sorry for your loss, like sending my condolences, and but it's not. You have so a minimal like sincerity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, I get it If you want to put it out there like or let's just say, family members you don't talk to anymore, like I get that. Yeah, yeah, you know. And if people say sorry and everything that comes along with it, but I wouldn't put it out there, looking for that, like that's not the idea behind and I feel like a lot I don't want to say it in the wrong way you kind of fenced that a lot, but do do that right. Or it were a flip, flip it right. Let's just say that it's a good day, you're on vacation, having that trip, and you see it all over the place. You know we're driving this fancy car, you know.
Speaker 3:And so they're showing all their shiny objects or whatever it, just to get some kind of response, you know, like good for you. Or you know, this is awesome, that's just a touching grabber, I, I think, in my opinion. And yet, you know, if they worked their way up and got to it, awesome. But just to keep showing it to the world and kind of, hey, I got this, you don't in their way, they're away. That doesn't work for me. I don't know why a lot of people do that. I just feel like it's been warm now, that they just feel like they have to show that they are special, that they're successful, or they claim to be. No, that's fair Good question. It's tough.
Speaker 2:I gotcha, so now I want to transition to chat. I'm curious in terms of timing, like how close together was, like you losing the job and, at closing, to your divorce a year.
Speaker 3:It's all but the same year. It was June, may, june of that May, june of the one year I lost my job, and then it was come the end of May that divorce came up. So it was enough to shift.
Speaker 2:That's tough Because it's two things you don't have a lot of control over, happening pretty close together.
Speaker 3:And I felt like I was trying, in a way, or I was trying to make an improvement for not just myself but for the family. It's just the money wasn't showing up right away, but I was able to see the opportunity provided. I kept on working on it, but I wound stop stopping to do that and got a full-time job in april, before the word divorce came up, and I fed some stuff pretty much right away. That was not the problem. Obviously there was, you know, emotional attachments, or else already, if not more, and yeah. So it's just sorry it was all. It's all a work in process and it's just that was already grown that's fair.
Speaker 2:So you mentioned the men's support group that you had. Was there anything else that helped you go through these two pretty uncontrollable situations pretty close together?
Speaker 3:Yes, it's basically the few men I spoke to. So one is Jeremy. He was the coach that hired me, or I hired him for that time, even though he's like a professional in psychology or whatever it is. He's got a whole bunch of stuff, but he's like you know, it's 10 men. You can find this anywhere 10 men kill themselves every day over divorce. And he says that and he's like this is his thing, like he does not want that to happen to anybody. So he's, that's his battle. So he was very kind I wouldn't say kind to me where I was texting him through Facebook Messenger trying to figure out every little move, and he's like breathe, just breathe, because people forget to breathe.
Speaker 3:You're the breath worker and people forget to breathe. If I took three deep breaths, I was in a calmer state. I was thinking a little bit more clear. Another one was like I can't remember the exact words, but it was. I want to say don't think of it too much, don't focus on the little things. Why is this happening? What's this mean? What's going on here? And that was enough to make me go crazy too. Try to think a few other stuff he was so kind to and not even pay for his services.
Speaker 3:He would respond maybe not right away, maybe in another day, but he would respond and that's what got me to actually work with him for a little bit. That's what got me to actually reach out to him a year afterwards and say, look, this is where I'm at. I think I feel pretty good. We talked for like an hour. He's like you sound great. He's like this is the best testimonial I ever had and you know, just basically talking back to him, I'm like I don't know where I'm going from here. Everything was done, but it was just like to catch up, see what my next phase is, and I would have no problem doing that again. Dennis is another guy who I'm still in contact with. He's been on my podcast twice. He's got his own coaching program. Now he's still like a chef, but he's one I can still reach out to with questions. As far as you know, I'm still parenting in a way, and then he's been down that path. He's been doing it for years, so it's getting advice there.
Speaker 3:The third guy would be Nate, but I haven't heard from him in a while, and that's the one that's from Canada. Make sure that you would find a way to not go through the divorce and stuff. And he was the one to tell me hey, I think you're going in this path. It was enough again to open my eyes up If it wasn't for this few guys and their life experiences and whatever information they got from anywhere else to share with others. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where I would be. I could be that one of those 10. I don't know, I had no idea. I'm glad I'm not. But I'll be honest with you. Talking to some guys today, I could see how people do it. I hate to say that, but it's true. I'm stressed now, just even where I'm at. And then it's not the divorce part, but it's the after the fact financially and stuff. I'm struggling. I'm struggling other than that.
Speaker 2:You know I I'm okay, but I just see why men can't handle it yeah, I know I never knew that statistic but I can understand that as well. So I haven't really shared this on my podcast actually. But I have a different understanding of divorce as a woman, because my uncle, growing up when I was about 12 years old, moved into my house because him and his wife were going through divorce and it was awful. It was so nasty and she told so many lies about him, things he did, things he said, and he went over 10 years without seeing his two daughters and I just saw everything he went through and I don't know about where you are statewide and I think it's gotten better.
Speaker 2:But so many of the family courts have mind that the woman and the mother have the best interest of the child, know what's best and and I don't think that's always the fucking case I think it's assumed that because she's the mother and I get a lot of people looking at me funny with this because I'm a woman, but it's I'm not saying like mother's instinct. Some women have that, yeah, but I don't think it should always be when I think that could even be a contributing factor to the men committing suicide because they're assuming prior so many quotes, that the mom has the best interest. The mom gets more time with the kids, the mom this. And it's just why, like, why is that the case? She had said stuff and there was never any proof and it was just well, she's the mom. So she said.
Speaker 2:He said this to the kids. He got arrested for different things and not that he should have to prove it, but none of it was never like sexual allegations, it was never physical and it was just oh well, she said this, so it happened. And I was just like fuck that I'm getting involved in the family courts because men shouldn't have to deal with this. Like, why is this a thing? Because the kid came out of her not to go there, but because the kid came out of the woman, she knows what's best automatically. I disagree.
Speaker 3:I agree with you there. It's one thing to go through the divorce and you separate as a couple. It's another thing to lose everything, and it's the worst thing is losing your kids or even not seeing them anymore. That is still the worst for me, because now we're seven days on, seven off, and for me not to see my kids for like half a year and know that they moved out already and they're not even 18, that's weird. I never wished that at all.
Speaker 3:That's hard and I think that's where it hurts a lot of men too. It's the kids. They want to raise them, they want to be with them, do things with them, take care of them. But how can they take care of which? Are taking care of the house or wherever they're at now and taking care of another place that they don't even live, and then support everything that's going on over there and that's why everybody struggles financially and they might commit suicide later on. I, I hope not, but it's yeah, it's tough. It's still hard for me with the whole kid situation. You know, sometimes I have to call them. I don't hear from them every day. I try to call them every day, but stop like. I have all this interaction throughout the week. I don't have them. But yeah, as, as far as as being one sided in the court system for the most part, I think that still exists everywhere you go, unfortunately. I'm like it would get better, but I don't know, that's tough.
Speaker 3:I mean, we, we, we, we did mediation. So I'll be honest with you there. So it wasn't. You know, we didn't go through the whole court part. We came to agreements that you had to agree on something, even though if you didn't care for it sometimes. But that's the path we chose. And you know, for me I don't say anything bad about their mother. I don't wish nothing bad for her. I you know and this, you know this in here that there's no bashing and I know that's never came off yet. It's just like it has nothing to do with her as a person. I get if she did whatever she did, for whatever her reason is, that's fine. And we chose to take our own path eventually.
Speaker 3:But it was trying to figure everything out. So we had the problem, uh, through that whole mediation stuff and tried, but again, that's the same stuff we could have fixed if we sat down and talked about it, if that was the problem, you know. But if there's something else and that probably could have been fixed, like I, I don't, I, you know, you know where I'm going with it, but yeah, so it's just I, you know what, I still we'll get up. Let's get off track a little bit here, and you know, it was an opportunity for me to explore things and I became totally different. Like I'm here talking to you now, which I would not be doing I would still be at that 20-year-plus job, going to work, coming home, taking care of the house, taking care of the kids. God universe maybe saw things I didn't see and it allowed things to shift.
Speaker 2:This is what's happening to my place right now shift and this is what's happening to my place right now in terms of you transitioning and, like you started, the podcast.
Speaker 3:Was that post-divorce? Yes, it was. Do you know justin shank? He lives about like an hour and a half from where I'm at. He had an event. It's a previous year after divorce and I bought tickets like august of the year I got divorced because I'm like I'm not doing anything, let's, we'll just go out there and see what happens. So went out there, actually met him in person. He was one of my 10 for the facebook lives as a podcast oh my god no, I never met him in person.
Speaker 3:Like you know, we're facebook buddies in a way, so got person out there and it was about podcasting about growth, so he's you know the stuff he has on his podcast. It was in lancaster so it wasn't too far, but it was too like a two-day event and I never really would have done that by myself the family, I, you know, leaving them at home. So they were with me, I, I was by myself, slept in a this sounds weird, maybe some people, but slept in a hotel room by myself, which I never did before. Basically because I was 19 and and had a girlfriend and got married and I was around somebody all the time, going on vacations, all that stuff. It was just how we did things. So I went out there and I this is like how it started so I sat down at breakfast not knowing who was going to be down. I just went to eat justin's down there and a couple other guys. He said, yeah, come sit with us. So I, I do, and we're just talking. He leaves, a couple other people leave and I wish I knew his name, I can't. So he was sitting over here and he's like what do you want to do and I'm like I do want to start a podcast. And he's like, what would it be about? And I told him and I said I did 10 Facebook Lives but they had nothing to do with what I would do on my podcast. He's like, well, just strip the audio from back and put that out and start, let me go from there. So I thought about it for six months, never did anything, strip the audio and made that my first 10 episodes for my podcast, which was enough to get me up and going. I did three podcast episodes first and then one every week after that, which allowed me to reach out to basically two of those guys I just shared information with you about. They come along, they were honored to come along and that's how I started the whole.
Speaker 3:People come on sharing their journey in life and that just grew from there. As far as getting guests, first it was like friends, you know, people I knew and then I went to like Facebook groups and all that. And then other podcasters are connecting me. So that got me started. And going through the divorce, losing the job, that was my journey and I again, I don't know how I dealt with it, but I did but to hear these journeys of other people and what they went through to become so much better, I just couldn't even add them what what it was all about, how they can handle it. So it's like that was my rock bottom and then they had their own and I I guess we're all given certain rock bottoms that we're able to handle. So that's why this person got this and that's why this other person got this to become better, and they can share that information with somebody else.
Speaker 3:For who needs help, and most of the people out about you, but most of the people that come on, they'll share their journey and they wind up making a business or something on the other side of it, some way that they can get back. It's not always a business, but they're always trying to provide help some way. For instance, you and I are talking about divorce. I would be more than happy to talk to anybody, as a guy or if it's a woman. I hear both sides.
Speaker 3:If they just want to talk about that, I'm not going to say my advice is the best advice, but it's got to come from my experience and then I would definitely share that. I would definitely share with them that they should reach out to other people to get a collection of it. Don't listen to your friend that's walking with you all the time, because they know that there's their story and this is how it's going to play out, and you just listen to one person because that's walking with you all the time, because they know that there's their story and this is how it's going to play out, and you just listen to one person because that's not always the case. But yeah, so that's not why I'm podcasting sorry.
Speaker 2:I love how you mentioned not listening to one person, regardless of what it is. You're going through, and we go through different things. I love how you mentioned serving rock bottoms that we can handle and it allows us to help somebody else through it in some way. You know, like I as corny as it is like that saying, like it'll be, I'm gonna butcher this, but like you're, do you know what I'm referring to? Like you're, you'll tell this story one day of how you overcame this and it'll be like somebody else's survival guide, like it's something like that. And even if it's just one person, whether you share that on a podcast, whether you share that like just in talking, like even if it's not with your friend, you know and like somebody else, knows they that they're not alone in that.
Speaker 3:you know that they're not alone in that. You know, that's exactly it. Yeah, that's why people coming on and trying to spread it out, you know, shoot it to the world. It's definitely life-changing and you, as a podcast host, you get to take all that energy in from everybody that comes on and you're growing. You're going to grow more than these other people because you're taking everything. You might not think it right away, but it's true. Yeah, it's not going to happen right away either, but if you're like you said you're in the quotes now you're getting close from all these different.
Speaker 2:yes, I am. I know that right.
Speaker 3:So it's going to become like this quote book, you know, and you're just going to run with it and that's what you need. You need an esperanto. I know you don't, you probably can't see it, but before the orange it still shows through a little bit. I put more orange on there. You could see quotes on here and it was over here. Yeah, certainly my daughter started writing on them too. So, yeah, and I had it on here because something would resonate with me and I'm like I don't want to forget this. I'll write in a book or a piece of paper and it's gone and I ain't going through it to try and find that thing again. So I just brought on the freaking wall with a sharpie, like it's not going to go anywhere, you know, yeah, so anyways, it's still there. We could see as far as we're get close to. We can still read it. I did take pictures, if I ever wanted to write it.
Speaker 3:And people sharing their journey, trying to make things better for themselves and then making things better for others, is so rewarding. Whether there's a money involved or not, you know, it's definitely well worth just reaching out to that person or somebody else that went down that path and trying to learn from them. Now, when I say, like lack from certain people, you got to be careful who you get your information from. For sure, maybe a close friend might know something. Usually it's the people that aren't your friends that know a lot more of how to deal with things and that's the people you got to seek. For I should be coming to Amanda, you, and asking do you know? Somebody went through this and you'd be like, yes, you need to talk to so-and-so and that person probably helped me out a lot more than my friend next door, just in certain areas. You know they have a degree in something, but not a degree in everything else in life.
Speaker 2:So it's, you gotta be careful that's so true and I think I love how you've mentioned a few times like not just your friend, like talking to other people that know different things. I think it ties even back in to the communication, like communicating with other people, collaborating. You know, like you and I, for example, you introduced me to Adobe and that literally changed my audio editing and it was something so simple. But the amount of people, or even friends, or even if I don't want to call them friends, like like people close within my life that I've talked to about podcasting, it's never been mentioned to me, you know. So that one quick little thing and it's like I have different people that I talk to about podcasting every day. They had never heard of that. I've shared that now with other people.
Speaker 2:So it's the collaboration of it. I love that. Yeah, you know what I mean. Who knows if I would have discovered it, when I would have discovered it, etc. Absolutely right, so I love that. What would you say has been your favorite thing from the podcast, from starting it?
Speaker 3:I'll be honest with you. It's the consistency, the determination to keep going, because I started not trying to build an audience, not trying to monetize, not trying to do any of that. You become a stronger communicator, listener, host, you know, whatever, however you want to describe yourself doing this, but it's a change. You change a lot and you hear it everywhere, like, start a podcast and for those reasons, just those reasons alone, and you'll get your name out there, all that stuff. But it's those few things. You know. Now we have a relationship, right, so now we're both podcasters. That you know. I don't know if you're going to Podfest or not, but you know it's a place that we could probably meet up sometime and we could just grow in that area. But, yeah, it's, it was, it's still, cause it's like I want. Well, I'll shoot one out every Tuesday. So, as I'll do two a week, I won't share that until I know I have it done, cause I'm not committing to it. Yeah, right, cause then once I commit to it, then I got to do it. So I wait till I'm done and then, okay, I have an extra one that gets brought out on a different day. I don't want to say I'll do something and then something happens I get sick or whatever. I can't do that, and if I can do one a week, which is great, I can. I'll be honest with you. I was supposed to have somebody on tonight, never showed up, gave me more time to work on things. Whether we connected, I don't know, but I'm thankful. I have a bank of maybe 16 episodes where I wasn't stressing over the fact of having that person right away. So that's something I've learned basically from the beginning. Start with so many episodes and you can get more in the backlog, so you're not killing yourself trying to figure things out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the communication part that I really enjoy. I'm not. This is different, right, this. Yeah, you're our host, so you're still on that side, but we've flipped this. It's totally weird, like, but who wants to listen to me? You know, I mean, I'm usually listening to someone else, yeah, so it's a totally different game. I'll be on one tomorrow too. So it's just like trying to figure out that rhythm and it's great to collaborate. It's great to talk about, like you just said, like Adobe, talk about things, podcasting and stuff, because we can go on Facebook groups all the time and things just disappear and it's all about the same thing, but that's still not a community. In a way like this is it's zoom, but I can see you, I can feel your energy and you would agree that you know it's a lot being said just for communication, but that's where I'm at no, I get that, I completely.
Speaker 2:I love how you touched upon the growth of starting the podcast. You know, because I think, regardless of whether you want to start a business, you already have a business, you're an entrepreneur, or even if none of that's the case, like there is so much growth involved with starting a podcast. You know, from the communicating, the listening, the consistency, the learning how to do things, the collaborating, the speaking to other people. I'm big on the collaborating, because something I always say is you don't know what you don't. I have not been the type of person who learns. Well, bro, I am overwhelmed as fuck by research and the planner in me is going to plan forever and all these different options. How do I decide which I want to grow? No, I can't research. I need, like, here's what you should use, here's why you should use it. Well, let me try it. Okay, it works great. Let's run with it yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 3:So it took me a while to pick some other programs, but people are pointing them out to me and yeah, I tried it. Um, collaborating is great, even if it's just not bycasting. If you're like a lawyer I'm sure lawyers working with other lawyers that's how you learn and grow and that's just an example. You know it could be any business, but yeah that's no general I love it. That's no. I was gonna say something. I'll let it go then what were you gonna say?
Speaker 2:you don't have to let it go? It's no joke. I was going to say something, I'll let it go. What were you going to say? You don't have to let it go, it's not frozen. I'm not Elsa, you don't have to let it go.
Speaker 3:So like I want to share real quick and we don't have to dive in too far. But going through the divorce and everything, it changed a lot. It changed a lot in a lot of areas and I'll be honest with you. I just want to share this. So, whoever's listening, I worked on myself emotionally, mentally, get myself together more in your routine not that you guys have to go this way and then I worked on myself physically. I hired a fitness trainer and they're up for almost years now not the same, but enough to where I stay committed, right, and it's again. It's just showing up all the time.
Speaker 3:And then, spiritually, I never went to church. I've been going to church now for over a year and a half. So that kind of touched in my place January of last year. Things just showed up for me and I've just been going to it. And then I want to say that now I'm in that business, finance space and just and yeah, I'm sorry I miss one there's relationships. So I mean not intimate relationships, but like relationships like this friends, whatever, relationship, business, whatever it's working on that stuff too. So like I share this because that there are like five areas and that's the path I took, but that doesn't mean that's the path you have to take, and maybe there's other areas. You can dissect them and go deeper if you want in certain ones, but that's the route I decided to take yeah, spirituality, physical relationship.
Speaker 3:And that makes mental and emotional together Okay, and then business and finance together.
Speaker 2:I gotcha Well. Thank you so much for speaking with me. Have you heard a man named Jay Shetty?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Love him, Big fan, so on his podcast. I haven't heard all the episodes so I don't know if it's every episode, but he uses these two segments to end his podcast and I started incorporating them on mine. The first one is the many sides to us. There's five questions and they need to be answered in one word each Okay. Answered in one word each Okay. Number one what is one word Someone who was meeting you for the first time Would use to describe?
Speaker 3:you as Authentic.
Speaker 2:Number two what is one word that someone who knows you extremely well Would use to describe you as?
Speaker 3:This is good Caring. Okay, one word I always use. You're chilling me? Call me.
Speaker 2:Okay, what is one word that, if someone didn't like you or agree with your mindset, would you use to describe you?
Speaker 3:Differing.
Speaker 2:Okay, what is one word you're trying to embody right now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's tough. I don't know right now. I know when. Do you want one word? I got time and you said you didn't have an end time so I can wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I don't know, do you want one word? I've got time and you said you didn't have an end time so I can wait.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I don't know how much I've come out of this. That's a bank, so you know this is where I'm coming from. So I do have my values right there on the wall, and I know that they're not concrete, concrete, and I know that we should be adding one or something every once in a while that work on ourselves and make ourselves better. I have not chosen that one yet. I want to say confident, although I feel like I'm on the edge of already being there, and that could be in so many areas in life, even though I don't have it written down. But if that could be one for you, I would say confidence.
Speaker 2:Okay, second segment is the final five Five questions, and they can be answered in a sentence. Number one what is the best advice you've heard or received?
Speaker 3:Breathe.
Speaker 2:Okay, why is that the best advice? Why is that the best advice?
Speaker 3:Because, if it works, I needed it at that time. I told you when it was tough for me, and he said it to me so many times that it got ingrained in my brain and I, I see it and I share with other people too, to just breathe um. Whether they do it or not, that's on them, but it's just that simple no, I I agree.
Speaker 2:So many people don't believe me when I say like you forget to believe. Even more so when you get stressed, when you get upset, when you get overwhelmed like you're not, you're not paying attention to that. What is the worst advice you've heard or received?
Speaker 3:Have you ever asked somebody to wait this long?
Speaker 2:I've had people be like can skip that, and I'm not skipping that right, get a dog. No, I'm just kidding I gotta say I don't agree with that, because your dog has been in the room the whole time and has not even made a noise she's pretty good, she's yeah, I'll say that is definitely. I don't think that's your worst advice.
Speaker 3:No, I think not. I'm sorry, amanda, this is tough, yeah, worst advice. What was your worst?
Speaker 2:advice. I haven't answered this. I've had guests tell me they want to hear my answers, but I haven't. Yeah, we have all the time, all the think about it. Somebody didn't do their research and listen to my podcast.
Speaker 3:No, I didn't wait till the end. Was that like something that had to be done?
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying Because everybody gets caught up with these and I'm always surprised that nobody's heard a previous episode and they're not like boom, I got this and I'm just like these are the best answers, because it's not scripted.
Speaker 3:I could have wrote all these down and be like, okay, let's get this going. Oh it's true. It is. It's so true. That's why I don't share what I ask. At the end.
Speaker 2:People can go listen, but it's the same thing, bad guests not want to answer it and I was like I'll sit here. I'll just sit here and wait.
Speaker 3:I'm stubborn enough, I'll sit here well, I want to give you a good answer to it.
Speaker 2:It's just even at the worst. What's bad advice you've heard?
Speaker 3:you've never gotten bad advice or heard bad advice Ever About anything, I'm going to say yes, but I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:You must have some great people in your life with great mindsets, because you got no bad advice in there. No bad advice.
Speaker 3:You know what, what one could be Go to college. You know, I don't think that's all, as I don't think that's really good advice anymore this day and age for sure, and so I'm glad I didn't do that. But yeah, I did go for a little bit, but I'm glad I didn't stay and then had to pay debt and whatever else. Uh, so I could save that if it works for you.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have to work for me, whatever you're into.
Speaker 3:Let's go with that one. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 2:Number three what is something that you used to value that you no longer value?
Speaker 3:So I want to say these few things, but they're all my value list because I value them still as a person. It's just those things I believe are lost in some other people, if that makes sense. So if I can use that as an answer like, one will be loyal, somebody being loyal and loved those, yeah, and you're probably going to ask me, like, what do I value the most and whatever? Right, but those, how can I put it? If I allowed something that happened to me to not be valued, those would be valued. Those will be it. I don't want to lose myself Going through stuff like that. I know I'm not giving you the answer you want. I'm not looking for a particular answer. I'm not. It's not the values I lost. I don't know that value Is that I lost, because I would say it would be love and loyalty from somebody else. Um, but as a as me, like, I don't want to lose that.
Speaker 2:So that's my answer, since you know I would put that you okay, if you could describe what you would want your legacy to be, as if someone was reading it, what would you want it to say?
Speaker 3:in all areas of life and somebody that reached out to help others. Whether there's monetary value or not, it's all about trying to change the world. Then podcasting seems to be that avenue for me right now. So, yeah, I'll have to be part of that as being a better father, showing up for my kids as I can when I'm not eating what's on.
Speaker 2:If you could create one law in the world that everyone had to follow, what would it be? And I want to know why.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll do this. Every family should have dinner together and the reason being is because that does not happen anymore. There's no connection within the family whatsoever and that used to be a 20, 30-minute talk within your family members to get to know what happened that day, how the feeling was going in the life. That doesn't happen Now. It's just a five-minute breeze if that happens and you're back on your phones doing your thing again, or you're lucky, you're even in the same building, same room, that you're eating with somebody.
Speaker 3:And that was asked to me like a long time ago in Subway in New York. It was something about family and stuff and I remember that moment. I forget the exact question, but I remember that moment. I forget the exact question, but it is, I believe. I remember growing up. Yeah, my parents were divorced at whatever age, but I remember trying to have the family dinner together, if we were able to make it, and I don't remember the conversations, but it was just sit down at table to four of us together for 20 minutes or whatever. You know, it doesn't exist, so that that'd be my reason why no, I honestly completely agree with that.
Speaker 2:I fortunately grew up where I had the family dinners, but I noticed like a lot of people even a little bit of a younger generation than me didn't have that well. Well, thank you so much for speaking with me. I really appreciate it. And now, where can the listeners connect with you and find out more about you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so Life's Checkmark is the podcast. It's a huge checkmark with the same orange color back here and that's where people share their journey in life. And you can go to lifescheckmarkcom. That's where I have my coaching program, my podcast community, and you just reach out to me, so that's where you can find me.
Speaker 2:Awesome, and I will link all of that in the show notes Now before we close out. No pressure whatsoever, but I do like to leave it back to the guests. If there was any final words you want to share with the listeners, no worries whatsoever, but I do just like to leave it to you.
Speaker 3:Sure, be you. Be your authentic self and stop worrying about what other people think about you. Connect with the people that you're supposed to be really connected to, because you're being yourself. And when you stop people pleasing and you stop trying to show up in a different way, that's not you.
Speaker 2:You definitely be happier, you definitely enjoy life better and you'll see things from a different perspective. So I would encourage everybody to find themselves, to speak their own voice and be open. If you would leave me a five-star rating, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Leave a review.
Speaker 2:You're welcome and share it with anyone you think would benefit from this and thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Mander's Mindset. You are only one mindset. Shift away from shifting your life. Thanks guys, Until next time.
